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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 6, 2012 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIJS

Just in case you forgot. Likely thee best Jstraw. this show is all around quite smokin as well.

http://archive.org/details/gd87-04-06.sbd-matrix.hinko.19848.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 6, 2012 10:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

Hmmm...not sure yet here. My initial reaction is that this is really strong, but there are definitely a few from '77 and '78 that I still prefer. But this is not a very good Matrix imo (way too much audience) and so it's kind of hard to hear the band. I'll have to listen several more times before I make up my mind I think...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 7, 2012 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

whats your fav 78 version, i dont think i know of a real smoker from then. Always loved DP 10 (12/29/77?)

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 7, 2012 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

1/22/78 is the best I have heard from that year. 1/7 is also real nice. My favorite of all time is definitely 11/5/77 (dick's picks 34).

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Apr 6, 2012 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

Thanks for that jack straw, holy mcphee!!!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 6, 2012 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

Best ever rendition of Jack Straw?

Really?

What makes it so?

It's neither a particularly cohesive performance or a well jammed one...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 6, 2012 6:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

"It's neither a particularly cohesive performance or a well jammed one... "

Boy done lost his mind.

No one has yet been able to suggest a Jstraw thats as good, and nearly every time i suggest it to someone, it takes the place of their old all time version. Im itching to hear a more climactic and well jammed version than this one, but they all seem to pale in comparison. We've been over this before, idk how you find this version to be anything but totally epic.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 6, 2012 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

" idk how you find this version to be anything but totally epic."

I don't know how you can find anything about 1987 Grateful Dead to be epic.

I forced myself to listen to that rendition twice. The vocals are just terrible! The band sounded pretty bad in 1987.

The Jack Straw performed in Paris on 5/3/72 is much tighter. Certainly far superior.

And the rendition in Cape Cod on 10/27/79 is way better jammed...

http://archive.org/details/gd1979-10-27.sbd.miller.98950.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 7, 2012 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

Cliff now were just going through the same conversation we had a year ago, or whenever that was.

Honestly, i dont see what you find so special about the 79 version, i think its nice but it has no climax and just doesnt stick out. I could probably find a better rendition in 79 alone. Or you could just check out dead set which is a year later and is easily better.

And 72? I like 72 straws but they are too short. I enjoy the more country vibe to them, but no way does it come close to this.

And I prefer the vocals on this much more, i really am not crazy about brents early vocals, like him much more so later on, pretty surprised you say that.

Jerry shreddin, phil bombs a plenty, mickey workin all the toms, its all there and idk how you dont see it! (but we've never once agreed on anything so...)

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 6, 2012 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

I'm going to remember to finally listen to this JS tonight...been putting it off far too long.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 9, 2012 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

I've never had a favorite Jack Straw. This thread has prompted me to seek out a personal favorite. I'll be back soon (probably a new thread) with a full review.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 9, 2012 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

I suggest you hear these few...

DP 31 (best pre hiatus version that I know of)
DP 10
Dead Set

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 10, 2012 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

DP 10 is one of the best I've heard. I can't specifically recall the DP 31 version. I know that Dead Set is good, but I doubt it'll end up on top of the list.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 10, 2012 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

Yea "welcome to, thursday night at winterland". Dead set isn't a best ever but that along with DP 10 were my first favorites, well euro 72 was but it holds no candle to either. Definitely check out DP 31, jerry is on fire.

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 6, 2012 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

Killer Tons of Steel as well.

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 7, 2012 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

its times like this that a sarcastic bastard like myself struggles. could u be serious i ask myself? then i flash back to the 12 (of the 13 east coasters, missing the rochester gem) tons of steel i was fortunate enough to catch - remember how rivoted i was at each and every one of them - and says to myself, gosh darn i think u are.
how bout that "best ever" straw being at a show with push + muddy.

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 7, 2012 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIJS

Good call!
It was said a little toungue-in-cheek as I'm quite sure the four words killer- tons-of-steel have never appeared in quite that order in a forum post before but there was no sarcasm whatsoever.
I loved the tune then and now. I never appreciated Brent's Doobie Bros voice or his cheezy keyboard sound of the late 70s early 80s, but do believe he was a helluva songwriter.
People forget maybe that in the later 80s when Weir's partnership with Barlow fell apart, and the Hunter / Garcia collaboration had dwindled to a couple three songs every five years or so, that the band was very thristy for new tunes. And he delivered admirably. Were there some weak entries? Yeah. But his strong stuff is very good imo.
Tons of Steel is just a well crafted tune, musically and lyriclly. Refreshing even in it's conventional nature, given Weirs tunes (as Jerry once said, Weirs's tunes *sounded* how a guy with two sets of knees walking would *look*).
Yes I would joke with firends back in the day, calling the tune Tons of Shit., but I've always liked it.

"I just hope my luck is ridin' in the back."